Marvin Shilmer

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  Sir David Eady to give judgement on the Watctower Appeal in the Otuo v Morley and Watch Tower case at the High Court tommorrow

  by Adwoa Kromo in

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  sir david eady sitting as high court judge will hand down judgement tomorrow at 11:00am in the appeal of the decision from master leslie for refusing to strike out the claim as an abuse of process.

  in his judgement in november 2014 he stated in his judgement delivered ex-tempore " i am bound to say that this case causes me a good deal of trouble".

  from notes that i have from the hearing last week, i will be utterly surprised if the retired judge sir david eady takes a different view.

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  From the judgement:

  "I bear in mind Mr Daniel's warning that I may be allowing myself to be diverted by a "smokescreen", but it simply illustrates why the facts need to be properly investigated after full pleadings have become available, disclosure of documents has taken place and witness statements have been exchanged. Only then will the smoke have cleared."

  Mr. Daniels works for Watchtower. It's ironic that on one hand Watchtower complains judicially of a smokescreen yet simultaneously depends so heavily on smokescreen to keep the public from knowing what really happens inside its self-organized and managed shunning program.

  Watchtower has done this before. In 1981 take a look at how Watchtower complained about lack of public view and review:

  
  Criminal trials were doubtless much speedier in Israel than they are at present in countries such as the United States, where clogged courts and elaborate procedure give rise to many delays. Since the local court was situated at the city gates, there was no question about the trial being public! (Deut. 16:18-20) No doubt the public trials helped influence the judges toward carefulness and justice, qualities that sometimes vanish in secret star-chamber hearings. What about witnesses? Witnesses in Bible times were required to testify publicly. For this reason they were warned not to be influenced in their testimony by the pressure of public opinion “so as to turn aside with the crowd in order to pervert justice.” Perjury was not punished with a jail term, but with whatever punishment the false witness had sought to bring upon the defendant—even death!--(Awake, published by Watchtower, January 22, 1981, p. 17)

  To this very day Watchtower disallows third-party viewing of its "judicial" activities even when requested by the accused. The very safeguards Watchtower admits as important the result of public review it rejects by disallowing third-party viewing (when it's requested).

  Watchtower's tactics in the public arena are beyond contempt. The organization's leadership is overloaded with rot. It is beyond repair or reform.

  
  
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  Shunning... the thing jdubs don't speak of

  by freemindfade in

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  standing in the back now during the wt study.

  looking ahead i find it comical paragraph 14.

  "...you know how disfellowshipped ones are to be treated.

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  Watchtower Shunning – Deadly by Design
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  WT October 15, 2015 - Don't believe Apostate Lies

  by Designer Stubble in

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  the last article in this new wt, shows me that the organization is dealing with much information that is damaging them.

  i am sure that the many recent lawsuits are being noticed by the r&f.. here are some gems from that article, titled the naive person believes every word.

  we must be very selective about what we consider worthy of our attention.

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  Compare:
  "...forwarding research material, verses extracted for Bible study, or answers to use at congregation meetings would detract from the value of each individual’s personal preparation."--The Watchtower, October 15, 2015, p. 31

  
  With:
  "... in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society."--The Watchtower, June 1, 1967, p. 338
  
  Translates as:
  It's perfectly okay for "brothers in the organization" to forward research material, verses extracted for Bible study, or answers to use at congregation meetings if they are handpicked by Watchtower to do this, but if other "brothers in the organization" forward research material, verses extracted for Bible study, or answers to use at congregation meetings it would detract from the value of each individual’s personal preparation.
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  Has Anyone Asked Bethel About Contradiction of White Blood Cells in Milk?

  by berrygerry in

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  would intravenous insertion of milk into a human be wrong?

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  The issue has been put before Watchtower leadership so many times it's pathetic. Facts don't mean anything to those dishonest hucksters.
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  The Confederate Flag

  by Simon in

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  the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

  he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

  not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

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  • Marvin,... you are being a little naive here...

    Perhaps you should take a harder look at what I've said. A much harder look.
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  The Confederate Flag

  by Simon in

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  the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

  he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

  not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

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  What we need to be asking is how are we going to make substantive changes to achieve a truly color blind society.

  Causes of the woes you mentioned faced by contemporary human society are much, much bigger and more complex than skin color.

  For starters, the view from one-million miles in space is that humans are essentially a sophisticated form of bacteria eating away at planet earth's resources, which resources are not infinite.

  For seconds, no matter skin color humans are, like most other life forms, very selfish.
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  The Confederate Flag

  by Simon in

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  the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

  he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

  not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

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  • is it legal to fly a flag with a swastika in Canada or America?

    In the USA, yes.
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  Royal Commission into Child Abuse - Australia

  by biometrics in

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  saw this in the paper today:.

  the jehovah's witnesses church in australia is the latest religious group to come to the attention of the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.. the child sex abuse royal commission will hold a public hearing into controversial christian group the jehovah's witnesses, next month.. the inquiry, to be held in sydney, will hear from people who were allegedly sexually abused within the jehovah's witnesses church in australia.. it will examine how the jehovah's witnesses church and its company, the watchtower bible and tract society of australia, responded to claims of child sexual abuse within the organisation.. a victorian inquiry into how churches handle child sex abuse claims has previously taken submissions from former jehovah's witnesses who alleged instances of paedophilia, sexual assault, blackmail and death threats.. the organisation has 64,000 active "disciples" in australia but has also been described as a cult.. jehovah's witnesses believe their church is the one true religion and all others are wrong.

  they are among a number of religious groups which have been examined by the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse including the catholics, anglicans, australian christian churches and the salvation army.. the jehovah's witnesses australian headquarters has been contacted for comment about the inquiry which is scheduled to begin on july 27.. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witnesses-to-appear-before-sex-abuse-royal-commission-20150622-ghue73.html.

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  Imagine that. A PUBLIC HEARING!!!

  What a breath of fresh air, and something the Watchtower organization does not see fit to practice of its own accord.

  No. Watchtower wants all its "hearings" to be of the secret star-chamber variety where there are no neutral witnesses to what goes on there and the subject has no opportunity to have at least ONE observer for sake of inspiring carefulness and justice! This, DESPITE Watchtower decrying it when governmental organizations likewise fail to have public hearings.

  See: Watchtower’s Judicial System

  Watchtower prides itself in supposedly building an internal judicial system reminecent of the ancient Jewish practice of having local elders decide matters of justice. Hey Watchtower! Get THIS: Under that Jewish system elders heard cased PUBLICLY at the city gates, and meted out their decisions there too, in FULL PUBLIC VIEW.
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  Changes for Volunteers at Conventions and Assemblies in Spain

  by RayPublisher in

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  someone sent me this from jwtalk.

  a guy on there just posted this regarding changes to the way the jws volunteer at conventions in spain and the changes seem fairly major:.

  we had a special meeting today called a training session for volunteers.

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  Looks like Watchtower is tiring of lawsuits.
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  Good arguments on responsible gun control

  by barry in

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  www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll8jeet2rxi

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  There are good reasons for having firearms, including what might seem like high capacity magazines to folks who aren't familiar with these reasons (think: Joe Biden!). (By the way, 300 round magazines do not, in my opinion, have any place in the civilian world.) There are places I sometime have to go where exposure to feral hogs is probable. If you don't have a sidearm backup with you loaded with 15 and a magazine with another 15 nearby you're a fool. Those who've ever encountered one of these vicious beasts knows why. I also sometimes have to go places where criminal elements make it likely that I'll be in the presence of a stone cold killer mentality who has not yet victimized. I don't intend to be the first victim, and if I am I don't intend to stand there reasoning with a person who's confronting me or mine with lethal intent. He or she's going to get whatever I can give them right now and center-mass.

  I believe in responsible civilian gun ownership. It would not hurt my feelings one bit for the US to require citizens to have a locally issued license to purchase, own and carry a firearm. This way non-criminals who feel the need have a means of purchasing, owning and carrying a firearm, and there is some minimum standard in place to demonstrate competency similar to what is done for driving an automobile on public thruways.